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Ben Nadel at cf.Objective() 2010 (Minneapolis, MN) with: Jamie Krug
Ben Nadel at cf.Objective() 2010 (Minneapolis, MN) with: Jamie Krug ( @jamiekrug )

Working Code Podcast - Episode 130: Book Club, The Phoenix Project

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On today's show, we have our first book club discussion about The Phoenix Project: A Novel About IT, DevOps, and Helping Your Business Win by authors Gene Kim, Kevin Behr, and George Spafford. We review chapters 3-6 and talk about how Adam's recent compliance work has given him a fresh perspective on the 190-page spreadsheet of vulnerabilities portrayed in the book. It's interesting how a security team can have a deeply collaborative relationship with a company that feels, at least for some, to be purely adversarial.

All that and more on this week's show:

... featuring these beautiful, beautiful people:

With audio editing and engineering by ZCross Media.

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