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Ben Nadel at cf.Objective() 2013 (Bloomington, MN) with: Josh Knutson and Ryan Vikander
Ben Nadel at cf.Objective() 2013 (Bloomington, MN) with: Josh Knutson ( @Emergence ) Ryan Vikander ( @rvikander )

Working Code Podcast - Episode 011: Listener Questions

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Cunningham's Law states:

The best way to get the right answer on the internet is not to ask a question; it's to post the wrong answer.

The crew recently experienced a bit of this law first hand in response to their episode on Testing. Adam Cameron - friend of the show and long-time friend of the hosts - posted a scathing (but loving) rebuttal of basically everything that I said in episode 009. This week, the crew meets to discuss Adam's post; and, to dig more deeply into how testing gets applied in real world scenarios.

Thew crew also attempts to pick apart the relationship between DevOps and engineering - a question posed by LD2. Just don't ask us (or anyone) to define what exactly DevOps is; you ask 10 different people and you'll get 15 different answers.

Oh, and Adam totally built a website for the show! So, heck yeah! It's built on Eleventy and is generated based on Markdown files.

Or, listen to the full audio:

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Triumphs & Failures

  • Adam's Triumph / Failure - His application had a Cross-Site Scripting (XSS) vulnerability that was exploited. Which is definitely unfortunate. However, he was able to take a bad situation and turn it into an opportunity to practice transparency, clear communication, and a sense of urgency with his customers. In fact, in the end, he was commended by his customers for how well he handled the situation.

  • Ben's Triumph (that's me) - I attached some analytics to a user interface (UI) within his application and suddenly a part of the application which has historically been a blackbox was transformed into a rich, emotional experience in which I could "see" users actually consuming the tools that I built. This recent adoption of analytics (into my workflow) has forever changed the way that I will think about what is and is not an important part of the application that I'm building.

    It's amazing how powerful "user empathy" can be to an engineer's motivation.

  • Carol's Triumph - Her company is over-committed in terms of the work that they have on their schedule. But, instead of making the engineers freak-out over this planning problem, her managers are doing their job right and are protecting their reports from the organizational chaos. It's rare to see managers that understand how to manage both up and down within a company hierarchy!

    As Adam says in the episode, a good manager is worth their weight in gold.

  • Tim's Triumph - His frustration over debugging an issue in Redis had grown to the point where he was walking around his house angry. But, instead of trying to "just muscling through it", he decided to step back, be kind to himself, and take a break.

    ASIDE: You won't know this from the current recording but this break gave him the opportunity to rethink the problem and ultimately come back and figure out what was going wrong. Such is the magic of mental rest and relaxation!

Notes & Links

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